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Post by alek on Mar 15, 2015 12:29:07 GMT 2
Of course there are stupid opinions when people try to say that it is ok to do a crime and not bother to pay for stuff.
Do you respect my opinion if I say that I have the right to steal your phone?
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Post by Eva Tomorrow on Mar 15, 2015 14:02:35 GMT 2
Of course there are stupid opinions when people try to say that it is ok to do a crime and not bother to pay for stuff. Do you respect my opinion if I say that I have the right to steal your phone? is a matter of form, we all know that we have to care the language we use in a forum because is a context where communication is sometimes dificult, probably these comments among friends are perfect, but here we do not see and we do not know, and we must be more careful in my opinion. And about your question, it has an intention that has nothing to do with the intention of people that low music free in internet in ilegal pages or videos so other people can see it free. They do but they don't want to harming anyone, is taken advantage of a favorable situation as to get something that we are very interested and that many people can not afford to see it because is so expensive. Who see HOW WE DID IT video on the internet channel has intention to hurt the band? No ... But I ask another question: How many people who defending in a hard way the legality of the use of music not would give to the click if in this forum appear the link illegal of the DVD "HOW WE DID IT"? You not? This does not mean I support to downloaded music in a illegal way, I bought the DVD, but I do not dare to judge anyone because if tomorrow I can't buy it, is also possible I'll do it. |
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Post by alek on Mar 15, 2015 14:27:33 GMT 2
I am not judging the people that would click on a youtube link if the How We Did it was on youtube.
I am judging those so called Europe "fans" who don't buy the DVD themselves and ask that other people should break the law and upload it.
And yes, it might be a bit expensive, but not THAT expensive. But if you really can't afford it, or don't want to spend that kind of money on it, that is of course OK, but then don't feel as if you have the right to watch it for free.
How is this so hard to understand?
I have a question for you guys who think all of this is OK:
If I can't afford the tickets to a Europe concert, is it OK if I sneak in to the concert without paying?
(I guess you think so, because there is really NO difference)
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Post by philreeves on Mar 15, 2015 22:08:28 GMT 2
Okay Mr Rich Man, let me put it this way... It's MY sole opinion if I want someone to ask to upload the video, and I'm not the only one around here in the forum that shares that opinion. If you don't like to see all this stuff around here - shut it and stop reading and stop pretending that you're some kind of lawyer of Europe, protecting their matters. You have the money - buy it and stop freaking about the copyrights. Now, something about what you think that me and someone else around here aren't true Europe fans... As I've mentioned before I live in Macedonia and new albums aren't available here in stores or via Internet download. So what do I do? I go to online sites and buy the damn physical copies of the albums, because I LOVE AND SUPPORT the band in that way. And, normally, the prices go higher with the postage and packing fees. FYI people here think that it's madness to buy music, since everyone tries to save money for something 'more appropriate' but not me. And if I tell you the average salary in my country you'll fall unconcious. So I save every penny I can to buy the stuff and here you are, just preaching around how we're stupid and emite negative energy around. PLEASE JUST STFU! I'll buy what I can, I'll share what I can, I'll download what I can. Since I don't have money for the deluxe bundle I bought the digipak. Because, as I said - love and support the act. Not bi*ching around for the money and band loyalty. In other words - it's my right to do as I wish, and I think others will agree with me. After all, it won't be the end if the world if the DVD is to be found somewhere on the Internet - just think of SFTD documentary - it can still be found... And I see no harm - Europe are still alive and kicking a**. Some of the RnR concept includes things like sharing the magic of the overwhelming music; at least I still hope it's still that way... And yeah, about The Hunger Games... I guess you do not have a slightest idea that full movies are uploaded on YouTube. Or I guess nowadays you're too busy buying the Internet  |
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Post by alek on Mar 15, 2015 23:02:03 GMT 2
I don't know why you are calling me Mr. Rich Man, but you don't know me, so believe what you will. And as I said, I understand that not everybody can afford it, and that is not weird, but just because you can't afford something doesn't mean you have the right to see it. It is not a human right to see everything from Europe. And if this dvd turns up on youtube I have no problem with you watching it, if it's there, what are you gonna do, right? What I do have problem with is that people here (on a Europe forum) is asking people to upload something illegally and share it because they either can't afford it or won't bother to buy it. And when it comes to this discussion I don't care where you live or how much your salary is, non of that matters, you should still pay for products, and if you can't afford it, you can't have that product. It's not like the lower your salary, the more you can steal. And what do you mean "it's my right to do as I wish"  When what you want to do i illegal, it is not your right, you are not above the law. It is not my right to punch my neighbour in the face of that's what I want. Because it is illegal, why is thst so hard to understand? Would you sneak in to a Europe concert in Macedonia if you couldn't afford the ticket? Seriously, answer that! And if you want to stream movies illegally online, youtube is not the place, they will remove them (at least the big movies) |
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Post by Stein on Mar 15, 2015 23:21:16 GMT 2
OK guys, this discussion has gone on long enough.
If you wish to keep discussing this matter, please do so via PMs.
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Post by philreeves on Mar 15, 2015 23:42:35 GMT 2
Ok Stein, I will conclude this now.
Just to answer my worried 'friend' about the concert - of course I would pay for a ticket, as I've paid to see them live in Bulgaria in 2012. So you see, I'm not that thief you think I am. I pay for albums, I pay for concerts - which is normal. Your attitude is what irritates me - if I have a free will to ask people to upload something (legally or illegally) than it's up to THEIR free will to upload that stuff!!! No one complained about the upload except you. I understand the terms of not posting any links in comments and I'll stick to that. Be that as it may, there are a lot of people who'll watch the video for free and some of them will upload it somewhere - I'm sure of it, so your theory about paying about everything falls in water. Just see it (if you only can) as a sharing thing and stop seeing things through the prism of money and capital. Just for one freakin' minute. And YES, our salary still matters because you don't know a thing about my country - everybody is downloading media and stuff like that for free, because our life standard is way lower than other EU or other developed, higher life standard. Would you rather buy a supplies for the day or buy an album which you download for free (with our salary) Well, I'm a big music freak (in this case - Europe) and I just had to buy the album. But I couldn't save enough for the deluxe edition. And I'm telling you this because you think that it's simple as that (or as you said - not THAT expensive), so if you were in my skin - you would've thought your financial plan over and over again. Just trust me that you'd do.
That's it. My opinion for myself, your opinion to yourself. I'm not gonna bother the other members with this topic anymore, I hope that you'll do the same. Peace.
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Post by alek on Mar 16, 2015 7:51:05 GMT 2
Ok Stein, I will conclude this now.
You really don't get it.
Of course I know that not everyone can afford it. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TWO GET IT FOR FREE.
It's disturbing how this could even be a discussion.
And why are you talking about the living standards etc. in your country?? That has NOTHING to do with this case.
You don't see interviews with Joey Tempest like this:
Interviewer: What are your thoughts on illegal downloading?
Joey Tempest: I think it is a very sad thing that is killing the indusrty, EXCEPT if you live in Macedonia of course, then it is OK if you can't afford it... No biggie.
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Post by philreeves on Mar 16, 2015 9:09:21 GMT 2
Actually I think Joey knows about the illegal downloads in poor a** countries like ours, but none of that is my business. |
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Post by alek on Mar 16, 2015 17:21:49 GMT 2
Of course he knows about illegal downloading, that doesn't mean he approves. He has even said that he thinks streaming from spotify etc. is bad.
And why do you say in poor countries. Illegal downloading is a problem no matter how roch or poor the country is.
Because people(...) think they have the right to get music free.
Hmm, that reminds me of something...
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When what you want to do i illegal, it is not your right, you are not above the law.