michaeljessen
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Post by michaeljessen on Nov 21, 2019 14:12:55 GMT 2
I think that if Joey tried to drag Kee to court over the songwriting rights of those songs, Kee would probably start to argue again, about the money he claims that Joey/Europe owes him... Since the songs were never released, they only belong to the songwriter, and who can prove that 30 years later??  |
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Post by jimmyz on Nov 22, 2019 10:52:53 GMT 2
I think that if Joey tried to drag Kee to court over the songwriting rights of those songs, Kee would probably start to argue again, about the money he claims that Joey/Europe owes him... Since the songs were never released, they only belong to the songwriter, and who can prove that 30 years later?? It’s not Joey/Europe he should sue and go after, it’s their former manager Thomas Erdtman that has cheated Kee. If Kee bought Norums share in the band when he joined, who got the money? Did Erdtman give that money to Norum which he should’ve, or did he keep them for himself? If Norum never got the money from Erdtman that means that he was never bought out and Kee can’t claim anything from the band. |
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Post by marco17 on Dec 3, 2019 17:33:57 GMT 2
I'd love to hear the demos, remastered to some degree. Similar to when Bon Jovi put out the boxset with all their demos on it. I don't think there is any issue with them redoing or upgrading the demos. There is probably some legal stuff as to how Kee is compensated financially since no doubt he has some co-writes on the OOTW/PIP era demos, but other bands have worked that stuff out, so I'm sure they could too. And let's be fair, if Kee has a hand in those demos, he should be compensated and get credit if the band were to release some product to market. Unfortunately, it may just not be a priority for the band to sit down and work on this stuff and get it out there. I would have thought something cool might have come out for the 30th of OOTW, even just a digital download of a live show from 88 or 89, but nothing. They seem so focused on the present, with little desire to focus on much in the past, it may not be all that satisfying to them. I think it would also have to be certain band members that want to do this. I'm sure there are other demos out there, but most of what we have heard or know about are PIP era demos and I can't see JN jumping up and down to spend time working on any of that stuff... You're lucky to get Girl From Lebanon in the set these days, and it was the only track they consistently played from PIP.
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norumfan1987
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Post by norumfan1987 on Dec 4, 2019 1:15:23 GMT 2
I would have thought something cool might have come out for the 30th of OOTW, even just a digital download of a live show from 88 or 89, but nothing. If i remember correctly acoording to Kee, there is a lot of stuff from the OOTW-PIP era in the vaults including pro-shot live footage, but Sony just won't release it. |
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Post by jimmyz on Dec 4, 2019 19:14:00 GMT 2
I would have thought something cool might have come out for the 30th of OOTW, even just a digital download of a live show from 88 or 89, but nothing. If i remember correctly acoording to Kee, there is a lot of stuff from the OOTW-PIP era in the vaults including pro-shot live footage, but Sony just won't release it. Stupid Sony. I heard in an interview with Ian and Mic that it was a lot of stuff going on at Sony around 1989-1990, the staff were changed, that’s why it was so much trouble with prisoners in paradise, cause that one was recorded and ready to be released in august/september 1990 but since the people they worked on ideas with and that had heard the first version of the album was gone in 1990 and the new staff weren’t at all as interested to release the songs on it they ordered the band back to the studio to write more ”hit” songs. That’s why it took them another year for it to be released. |
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Post by endlessvoyageofdreams on Dec 19, 2019 21:02:33 GMT 2
Or what about the Out of This World song? If I remember correctly, it has to do with Days of Rock and Roll. It does. Joey Tempest: I had that as a follow-up to "The Final Countdown", it was on keyboard and I didn't finish it back in 1988. We picked it up last year and decided to try it on guitar and put another drum tempo to it and the guys all felt it would be great to perform live. Whole interview: www.antimusic.com/reviews/15/The_antiMusic_Interview-_Joey_Tempest_of_Europe.shtml |
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Post by Mark-David on Feb 11, 2021 23:32:16 GMT 2
Is there any hope at all of these ever being re-visited and released as a proper studio album. I would LOVE to have the Le Baron Boys album in studio quality even though the demos have a charming sound of their own. I really wish the band will consider doing it.
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Post by keemarcello on May 16, 2024 17:28:25 GMT 2
I've thought about this a lot. From the early days right through to 1992. Europe recorded everything from live show to all of their demos. We want to hear everything don't we. Everything they didn't release! The le baron boys stuff is out there as well as some final countdown demos but surely there are more tracks that they recorded that we have never heard that the band still hold. Can anybody on here try and get the group to just put all of their demos out there?? That would be by far the greatest thing they could do for us nostalgic fans! Come on guy we want to hear the magic that was never released!! And why don't you move your ass?? (excuse the word) hahahaha Every 2 weeks or every month I write to Ian and Europe on their Facebook page, asking them to put up for sale all the audio and video concerts they have. From what Jojo Kempe told me, the band has ALL the concerts recorded on audio, I thought they would have some, but according to this guy they have them all, at least from ootw tour, which is where Kempe was working, I don't know if he would be in pip or TFC tour or the first 2 too, I don't know. The fact is that every 2x3 I write to you asking for the audio concerts, I also ask you to scan the TFC world tour 1987 in Hammersmith concert, scan it in HD or restore it and put the complete concert on sale, because I don't know why they only put For sale a vhs with half a concert. Likewise, I ask you to release all the videos and audios you have from the 80s. But only I am writing to you. I don't see anyone asking them for anything. If we all get together and ask ALL of them, they will surely listen to us, but so far only I am writing to them asking for it, and for just one person I don't think they will do anything at all. |
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Post by bobbydrake on May 16, 2024 23:34:02 GMT 2
I've thought about this a lot. From the early days right through to 1992. Europe recorded everything from live show to all of their demos. We want to hear everything don't we. Everything they didn't release! The le baron boys stuff is out there as well as some final countdown demos but surely there are more tracks that they recorded that we have never heard that the band still hold. Can anybody on here try and get the group to just put all of their demos out there?? That would be by far the greatest thing they could do for us nostalgic fans! Come on guy we want to hear the magic that was never released!! And why don't you move your ass?? (excuse the word) hahahaha Every 2 weeks or every month I write to Ian and Europe on their Facebook page, asking them to put up for sale all the audio and video concerts they have. From what Jojo Kempe told me, the band has ALL the concerts recorded on audio, I thought they would have some, but according to this guy they have them all, at least from ootw tour, which is where Kempe was working, I don't know if he would be in pip or TFC tour or the first 2 too, I don't know. The fact is that every 2x3 I write to you asking for the audio concerts, I also ask you to scan the TFC world tour 1987 in Hammersmith concert, scan it in HD or restore it and put the complete concert on sale, because I don't know why they only put For sale a vhs with half a concert. Likewise, I ask you to release all the videos and audios you have from the 80s. But only I am writing to you. I don't see anyone asking them for anything. If we all get together and ask ALL of them, they will surely listen to us, but so far only I am writing to them asking for it, and for just one person I don't think they will do anything at all. are you talking about?  You're really nothing know about the copyrights and intellectual property? "Sale all the video and audio concerts they have" - are you seriously?  Sorry for immodest question, but how old are you?  |
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Post by keemarcello on Jun 3, 2024 14:54:32 GMT 2
3 or 4 years ago Kee told me that the American record companies have the rights, but in those years a law came out that forced the record companies to return the rights to the owners, that is, the music bands.
I'm not talking nonsense, I'm talking because someone who worked in Europe and currently records albums told me about it.
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You're really nothing know about the copyrights and intellectual property? "Sale all the video and audio concerts they have" - are you seriously? 
Sorry for immodest question, but how old are you? 