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Post by guesswho? on Mar 5, 2013 12:19:26 GMT 2
The album WINGS OF TOMORROW is the very last one I discovered among Europe works. A bit surprised at the beginning, now I think that's really one of their best. Apart from "Scream Of Anger", that seems a bit weaker to me, all the songs are so good ! The music are astonishingly well-found and complex. For example, "Waisted time", constantly jumping from major to minor key... Excellent ! "Lying Eyes" is so good too. And of course "Wings of tomorrow". And the other ones aswell. The ballads, and so on. The lyrics are nice : this is too surprising, coming from such a young boy like was Jtempest at this time !  |
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Post by guesswho? on Mar 26, 2013 11:15:24 GMT 2
I'd like to know who was the drummer on this album : Ian Haugland or Tony Reno ?
Because it seems to me the drummer was pretty good there, contrary to the drummer on their first album "Europe" who was playing awfully.
So, I would be very surprised if someone (stein Vidar ?) was telling me it was tony Reno on BOTH the first albums...
Then, it would mean it was only a matter of quality of the gear...
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Post by Stein on Mar 26, 2013 11:53:54 GMT 2
Yes, Tony Reno played on both Europe and Wings of Tomorrow.
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Post by guesswho? on Mar 26, 2013 16:35:13 GMT 2
Yes, Tony Reno played on both Europe and Wings of Tomorrow. Thank you for your answer. Well, I had seen it already on your website, but I wanted to be sure that you were not wrong... I should have known that you're NEVER wrong concerning Europe, Stein-Vidar !  (contrary to ME, who had first named this album "Aphasia" -I don't know why, because i perfectly knew the real title, actually : wonder if there's no Alzheimer's disease in store for me !!! Anyway, I've changed the title of the thread, of course  ) Now, concerning my question about the drummer : am I the only one who think Tony Reno was very bad in "Europe" album, and is pretty good in "Wings of Tomorrow" album ?? Or else some other fans just feel the same like me? |
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Post by Eva Tomorrow on Apr 29, 2013 11:11:34 GMT 2
For many of us the album "The Final Countdown" was the invitation for to know "Wings of Tomorrow", are two very different albums, I don't know what could have happened to the band for to take that turn  in their music, even in their ballads something changed, DREAMER has nothing to do with CARRIE, it was a perfect time for TFC, an explosive and fresh album framed in the era when big heavy-rock bands were born in the middle of 80s ..., but it wasn't less interesting to discover WOT, I grew up with this album and is like fine wine, gets better with time. |
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Post by Stein on Apr 29, 2013 11:21:26 GMT 2
Yes, WOT and TFC are quite different. I know that Europe wanted to work with Dieter Dierks (Scorpions producer) for TFC, but they ended up with Kevin Elson. I think if they had worked with Dierks instead, TFC might have sounded more like WOT.
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Post by Eva Tomorrow on Apr 29, 2013 12:52:46 GMT 2
Interesting, I didn't know it, ... sure it could have been also a great album.
WOT is more like EUROPE (the album) ... and then the surprise and success of TFC, ... I guess things had
to happen that way. The producers have influenced in these changes and they also have answered
that search to evolve that has the band. I like a lot TFC, but I remember WOT like the EUROPE's musical
favourite place for the people whom this band it wasn't only the fashion band in the 80s, and WOT meant
that. It's a special album indeed ...
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Post by ent on Apr 29, 2013 17:07:28 GMT 2
I agree: WOT and TFC are thousand miles apart. I remeber that the first time I listened to WOT I could hardly believe it was the same band of TFC (a bit like when I first heard SFTD). It took a while to get used to it but it still remains one of their strongest albums. I still listen to it at times while it must be 2 years since I don't listen to TFC. It should mean something...
About Dieter Dierks...I don't know...in 1984 he produced Love at first sting that, IMO, sounds more like TFC than WOT. Anyway, who knows, maybe the story would have been much different (better? worst?). Or maybe not...
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Post by EuropeMagnum on Apr 29, 2013 19:55:08 GMT 2
I think if they had worked with Dierks instead, TFC might have sounded more like WOT.  i don't think so... just listen to SCORPIONS "Savage Amusement" which came out in '88. it sounded something like a wannabe-Leppard attempt and was the last Dierks/SCORPS co-operation btw... and TFC guitar sound/production was still better than it was on OOTW...  almost all trains went into the AOR / more radio orientated direction back then. and it worked well for a while (concerning sales). then came the thrash metal explosion, grunge afterwards... and melodic rock was dead.  |
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Post by Eva Tomorrow on Apr 29, 2013 23:04:21 GMT 2
For me the change of the band between albums WOT and TFC was beyond the musical level, I see a big change
in attitude, its staging. The Joey of WOT had a image more similar to other heavy bands at the time, his mobility
on the stage was more limited, but Joey's attitude in TFC on the stage changed radically, he ate the stage, his
image impacted everybody, was nothing ordinary, he was someone extraordinary with great force, ...
Someone saw in them a great potential and they knew how to exploit. The consequences have been good for the
band and it's sure that there are also not so positive things, but without TFC many of us wouldn't have known WOT.
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almost all trains went into the AOR / more radio orientated direction back then. and it worked well for a while (concerning sales). then came the thrash metal explosion, grunge afterwards... and melodic rock was dead. 
