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Post by guesswho? on Sept 15, 2012 14:21:49 GMT 2
Firebox to me is summarized in: - JUST A MAN (can never stop)
- Dealing with magic
- Always hanging somewhere between desire and despair
Not that the song contains a lot of words more than those above...but anyway, to me there's something more general than the sexual desire. I agree that's a strong component in the lyric, but if it was only just that, then our Joey would be in huge troubles at home... I personally think that the magic he is talking about is wider than that. It includes all our dreams, the desire to make them become true and the despair all the times some other forces conspire not to make them happen... And in spite of all what he has been able to achieve in his life, he considers himself "just a man" who can never stop. This is rather linked to me to Demon Head as well and the fact he says he is a time-torn man. Or at least I see this meaning in the songs because I feel a lot nowadays as a time-torn woman, LOL! But I agree Joey plays a lot with double meanings and sexual references. BTW, I still want to think that "Drink and a Smile" is about drinking a bit too much and be happy, but I can't avoid to have several doubts about the real meaning of a couple of lines there... (she's no beginner?!!?)  Anyway, concerning the meaning of BOB songs, we all have a different approach ; and it's allowed by the fact the lyrics are rather imprecise. So, it shows this is a quality. One song that has amazing lyrics without any precise meaning is "Human after all", from SS album. These lines: " For every dream that got away
We found our ordinary day
For every blue sky turning gray
We found imaginary ways",are really an achievment !  They don't mean anything precise, but they are very strong and carry us away. Pure gem. However, at the opposite, there's a case where that's not so well-done, and I feel completely the opposite of what is said by the band : the song "Drink and a smile". They say it's a joyful song. But for me, the lyrics of this song are very depressing... The music is joyful and light. But the lyrics and JT voice sound absolutely sad and demoralizing to me  (that's why I hope they'll play it only as an instrumental during bOB tour !) |
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Post by Spirit Of The Underdog on Sept 16, 2012 22:34:29 GMT 2
We are waiting for almost one month for the 'digital release date' aren't we?
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Post by vonnyloveseurope on Oct 4, 2012 20:28:22 GMT 2
I told you! But you never hear me!
Well, according to Ian...I am not so crazy as most of you think...hehehhehe.
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Post by guesswho? on Oct 5, 2012 10:57:02 GMT 2
I told you! But you never hear me! Well, according to Ian...I am not so crazy as most of you think...hehehhehe. It was my opinion too, especially because it was confirmed by the kind of "tube" where Europe are singing in the Firebox video : clear evocation. (And it was confirmed to me by Norum Webmaster, too..). Let's speak frankly : It's not blatant at the first view, and everyone stays free to project what he wants in the lyrics... But sexual meaning is actually what JTempest put in most of his songs today, no doubt -as obviously sex themes are nowadays the only ones interesting him. He doesn't seem anymore very interested in more various themes like previously : "political" or spiritual themes, for instance,or else nature, life, friendship, love, and other subjects he used to speak about when he was younger. In a way, that's where we can see is growing older : he stays very young in his energy and enthusiasm. But not so much in his sex obsessed lyrics. That's why I don't pay as much attention as formerly to Europe lyrics. Less interesting than before... :-X And very often disagreeable towards women : like in "Demon head", when he says give me "something I can use", just as if a woman was only a simple "thing" or object. Really nothing sexy in it , iMO. The contrary of exciting lyrics. That's just a desire killer. Fortunately, there's the very good music, and most of all the awesome performances !  And the fact that Europe members are really nice and sympathetic people. That's why I stay a Europe fan now, and still like them so much.  |
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Post by vonnyloveseurope on Oct 11, 2012 15:00:06 GMT 2
I absolutely agree with you, GuessWho. I think I don't like very much this album because the lyrics are not attractive. I told my opinion to Ian and Mic and they appreciated my honesty. I wish they re-consider the way they see music. I was not able to say it before, but IMO, they only launched this album just because they had to. I think they were not ready, they didn't have the lyrics clearly decided before going in to the studio, I can feel only chaos through most of the songs, I mean, there is not a definite line on the album, just some crazy ideas spilled on a piece of paper. I'm not talking about music, because I'm not an expert, I'm refering to what I feel through BOB and the lyrics.
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Post by belgradegirl on Oct 12, 2012 12:00:27 GMT 2
Listening the lyrics BOB I have impression that Joey has a midlelife crisis.He seems disillusioned and depressed and his lyric reflects that state of his mind.He said , he is satisfied with his life and job witch is best in the world, but something is going on in his head.Last emotional lyric I've heard is ,, In my time"I like it so much.
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Post by Eva Tomorrow on Oct 17, 2012 17:59:54 GMT 2
For me it's difficult to analyze the lyrics, because are not written in the language I speak but it is true that the whole album has a melancholy air, I personally like, perhaps is connecting to my darker side with my pain. I thank you for having left behind lyrics as sweet as Carrie's time. So sweet ... that image of Carrie sad because Joey said "I read your mind, with no intentions of being unkind ..." OMG, Joey was so polite with her hahaha  ... But the time pass and now Joey talk about "Firebox", "Doghouse" and about "Demon head" ... I suppose that our "Carrie" would feel puzzled now  ... haha!! I thought Firebox is refered of "that place where all things negative are burning" and is about sex , so I'm not really qualified to analyze more lyrics, but I think when these musicians come together to create their songs their music should be conditioned by their experiences, they lived an overwhelming success and then separated for many years and now they are here again, behind all of this it must be many hard moments lived by them and that reflected in their music. |
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Post by vonnyloveseurope on Oct 20, 2012 23:41:39 GMT 2
I read somewhere they have planned to record a new album after BOB tour. I wish they have fresher ideas on their heads. I think I won't stand another "nonsense" piece of b***t like most of BOB lyrics. I need to hear those meaningful lines that crossed my heart and made me feel shivers. I'm not speaking specifically about love but any kind of feeling that experience can give us all, that emotions which only Joey Tempest used to greatly express on his songs. I'm starving of that kind of poetry that I heard on WOT, OOTW, SFTD, SS and LLAE mainly.
I can feel the music on BOB, I have many different emotions through it, but as soon as I hear the lyrics, those feelings change and I feel confusion. I remember that guy who started a thread about "the truth", hehhehe. I felt sorry about him, but now I agree with him in one point: this was not another Joey's masterpiece. Something changed. I think Joey was not prepared to write another album so soon, maybe he was so tired after the tour that he was not able to find the inspiration. All artists need quiet time and spare time to enjoy and feel life. This way their senses are awaken and open to any kind of stimulation. I think he was forced to write (forced by himself, maybe) and I personally think it was a mess.
Am I too negative???
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Post by guesswho? on Oct 21, 2012 16:24:58 GMT 2
I read somewhere they have planned to record a new album after BOB tour. I wish they have fresher ideas on their heads. I think I won't stand another "nonsense" piece of b***t like most of BOB lyrics. I need to hear those meaningful lines that crossed my heart and made me feel shivers. I'm not speaking specifically about love but any kind of feeling that experience can give us all, that emotions which only Joey Tempest used to greatly express on his songs. I'm starving of that kind of poetry that I heard on WOT, OOTW, SFTD, SS and LLAE mainly. I can feel the music on BOB, I have many different emotions through it, but as soon as I hear the lyrics, those feelings change and I feel confusion. I remember that guy who started a thread about "the truth", hehhehe. I felt sorry about him, but now I agree with him in one point: this was not another Joey's masterpiece. Something changed. I think Joey was not prepared to write another album so soon, maybe he was so tired after the tour that he was not able to find the inspiration. All artists need quiet time and spare time to enjoy and feel life. This way their senses are awaken and open to any kind of stimulation. I think he was forced to write (forced by himself, maybe) and I personally think it was a mess. Am I too negative??? Vonny : yes you're too negative !  I'm joking of course... But first of all, we must remind something : it's so awesome that EUROPE is still here, doing music !  Now, they're not turning exactly the way we'd like to. that's a fact. But I still love them anyway. (and i think that's impossible to satisfy everybody : we all have different tastes !) Concerning the last album, I enjoy the music of BOB very much in it, and the fact they melted different styles, too. But most of the lyrics make me feel bad : and feeling bad with europe, that's not something I like. Because like many people, I began to love that band because of their energy : The fact that it helps you to go on living, during difficult situations of life, if you see what I mean... Now, concerning this point : Listening the lyrics BOB I have impression that Joey has a midlelife crisis.He seems disillusioned and depressed and his lyric reflects that state of his mind.He said , he is satisfied with his life and job witch is best in the world, but something is going on in his head.Last emotional lyric I've heard is ,, In my time"I like it so much. Yes, maybe he has such a crisis. or maybe he's a bit "tired" of what he's doing : remember It's nearly 10 years since Europe reunited. So, at the beginning, it was probably very exciting for them. Now, it's more like a routine. The first Europe "era" in the 80s lasted 10 years, too ! And then they had a break (and I hope they won't do it again !!! ) But there's something else I want to say here. In fact, if you watch Tempest lyrics carefully from the very beginning, they have often been a bit sad and melancholic, with a slight tendancy to "depression". I've tried to analyze it, and I'm more and more convinced that the special huge and joyful energy of Europe comes from Ian. See TFC : it was a very melancolic ballad when JTempest composed it first. But then, it became this awesome song full of jubilation, thanks to the rythm !!!!  |
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Post by Michaela Italy on Oct 24, 2012 20:24:44 GMT 2
I read somewhere they have planned to record a new album after BOB tour. I wish they have fresher ideas on their heads. I think I won't stand another "nonsense" piece of b***t like most of BOB lyrics. I need to hear those meaningful lines that crossed my heart and made me feel shivers. I'm not speaking specifically about love but any kind of feeling that experience can give us all, that emotions which only Joey Tempest used to greatly express on his songs. I'm starving of that kind of poetry that I heard on WOT, OOTW, SFTD, SS and LLAE mainly. I can feel the music on BOB, I have many different emotions through it, but as soon as I hear the lyrics, those feelings change and I feel confusion. I remember that guy who started a thread about "the truth", hehhehe. I felt sorry about him, but now I agree with him in one point: this was not another Joey's masterpiece. Something changed. I think Joey was not prepared to write another album so soon, maybe he was so tired after the tour that he was not able to find the inspiration. All artists need quiet time and spare time to enjoy and feel life. This way their senses are awaken and open to any kind of stimulation. I think he was forced to write (forced by himself, maybe) and I personally think it was a mess. Am I too negative??? Vonny : yes you're too negative ! I'm joking of course... But first of all, we must remind something : it's so awesome that EUROPE is still here, doing music ! Now, they're not turning exactly the way we'd like to. that's a fact. But I still love them anyway. (and i think that's impossible to satisfy everybody : we all have different tastes !) Concerning the last album, I enjoy the music of BOB very much in it, and the fact they melted different styles, too. But most of the lyrics make me feel bad : and feeling bad with europe, that's not something I like. Because like many people, I began to love that band because of their energy : The fact that it helps you to go on living, during difficult situations of life, if you see what I mean... Now, concerning this point : Listening the lyrics BOB I have impression that Joey has a midlelife crisis.He seems disillusioned and depressed and his lyric reflects that state of his mind.He said , he is satisfied with his life and job witch is best in the world, but something is going on in his head.Last emotional lyric I've heard is ,, In my time"I like it so much. Yes, maybe he has such a crisis. or maybe he's a bit "tired" of what he's doing : remember It's nearly 10 years since Europe reunited. So, at the beginning, it was probably very exciting for them. Now, it's more like a routine. The first Europe "era" in the 80s lasted 10 years, too ! And then they had a break (and I hope they won't do it again !!! ) But there's something else I want to say here. In fact, if you watch Tempest lyrics carefully from the very beginning, they have often been a bit sad and melancholic, with a slight tendancy to "depression". I've tried to analyze it, and I'm more and more convinced that the special huge and joyful energy of Europe comes from Ian. See TFC : it was a very melancolic ballad when JTempest composed it first. But then, it became this awesome song full of jubilation, thanks to the rythm !!!! Sorry to quote everything in one shot. Finally I can take one moment to reply here...it's a while I have it inside, but no time to express myself. I don't think BOB has been done in a hurry or in a superficial way. Sometimes what you get in a burst is the expression of your emotion. Do you think that Joey is sad these days? I don't think so! I have never seen him happier than now (apart from the very early days when TFC made EUROPE a stellar band). He talks about difficult situations in his lyrics. I do believe he has gone and maybe he's still going through all this. Like many other people are. BOB lyrics tell me A LOT. Maybe because I am older than you... His melanchonic side has always showed up...that's what makes Joey absolutely irresistible in my opinion. About sex...well, I have been a couple of times in his presence where he could have surrended to temptations from very attractive girls...he never did (just a spark of his eyes, LOL!). Provided that, yes his lyrics talk a lot about sex, but I don't feel like he uses women or the like...I feel like he has got a soul also in this. He is hanged somewhere between desire and despair. Isn't this how we feel sometimes? I just find him very romantic, which is a weird adjective of course when applied to a rockstar. But that's how I feel about him. He couldn't speak clearer words to me, but maybe because we are of the same age and our experiences are comparable. And with this I could also start a thread about "the truth", don't you think?  |
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... But the time pass and now Joey talk about "Firebox", "Doghouse" and about "Demon head" ... I suppose that our "Carrie" would feel puzzled now 
... haha!! 
