Stein
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Post by Stein on Sept 24, 2014 19:44:09 GMT 2
Here is Classic Rock's Buyer's Guide on Europe, scanned from issue 202.   A nice article, though I may not agree with everything.  Interesting to see that they included Joey's A Place to Call Home in the list. ....Yet they still have to use a photo that's more than 20 years old...  ...and features Kee. If they wanted to use an old photo, couldn't they have at least gone with a photo from the Final Countdown era with John Norum?  |
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Post by Eva Tomorrow on Sept 24, 2014 21:44:25 GMT 2
Yes, very interesting article  . I don't agree with "Start from the dark" as album to "AVOID"  ... Really ? I like that album more and more with pass of the time. And although I like a lot "Out of this world" I would have replaced it for "Wings of Tomorrow" and would have accompanied for "Last Look at Eden" or "Start from the Dark" as essential albums.  |
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Post by ent on Sept 25, 2014 20:03:57 GMT 2
Thanks Stein! About the picture, you're right, it's a questionable choise. I didn't expect that from the guys at Classic Rock Magazine, they are usually more accurate (but Ian's look in that picture is so funny, ah, the nineties... ) About the article, it's very interesting. I think that a "buyer's guide" is supposed to have an "avoid" section. It's not a fault of the magazine if no Europe album would deserve to stay in that section. It's very hard to fill that place (If I had to choose my album to avoid, like a suggestion to a friend, I'd probably say the first (Europe), but then I realise that it features Seven doors Hotel and The king will return, and I'm again in trouble). I think it's great that they decided to put in that section only one album, the press has been not so kind in the past. So in general, great article, even if...why is New love in town called bittersweet? I mean, where's the bitter part in it? |
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Post by kat on Sept 26, 2014 0:02:14 GMT 2
I guess they always use the same pattern in Buyer's Guide ,so they just had to put something in the "Avoid" part.Of course they could try to "break the mould" with Europe.For example they could leave out Joey's solo album as it's not the band's work and completely skip the "avoid" part.They could always fill the blank with a more recent picture of the band as I'm pretty sure I've seen some in the pages of Classic Rock.
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Post by gemaim on Sept 30, 2014 22:18:44 GMT 2
Thanks Stein, sometimes I buy this magazine so I know i shoud do so this month. Talking about the article, I agree I'd never name SFTD as an album to avoid, I love it, but a know some people that thinks it's the worst Europe 2.0's album because of the lack of melodic character. But the magazine, as ent says, needs to adjust the content to a fixed structure. By the way, it's one of my favourites section of this magazine (and her spanish sister, This Is Rock) Maybe my less favourite album could be OOTW, no for the songs but for that sound, too polished... even for tha horrible cover. But I know one thing for sure: if I had to choose a solo album to get into the list it would never be a Joey's one, it would be a John's work. In that game Norum breaks the score. |
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Post by guesswho? on Oct 2, 2014 12:08:07 GMT 2
I guess they always use the same pattern in Buyer's Guide ,so they just had to put something in the "Avoid" part.Of course they could try to "break the mould" with Europe.For example they could leave out Joey's solo album as it's not the band's work and completely skip the "avoid" part.They could always fill the blank with a more recent picture of the band as I'm pretty sure I've seen some in the pages of Classic Rock. , I like your avatar !  Yes, I agree : probably they had to put something in the "avoid" case. Because actually, no classic rock lover could say SFTD is not a good album. But the fact is that for EUROPE fans of the first era, it must have been a kind of shock when they heard SFTD for the first time : because it was so different from what eurpe did in the 80s. So, maybe the message is not "avoid because it's a bad album", but simply "avoid because it's not at all wht you can excpect of Europe musiv after their 5 first albums" ! Concerning JTempest first album, I appreciate that they added it to the list, even if it has nothing to do with Europe music. I'm completely fond of APTCH, one of the best cd I've ever heard. When I first heard this solo album (and I didn't know Europe story at all at this time...) I felt there was a kind of explosion in it : the cry of someone who felt liberty. It's strange, because it's a quiet opus in fact. But there's something in it that says "finally I can do something different and express myself completely !!". I suppose that JTempest was eager to write something that had nothing to do with hard rock and its canons : to use violins and women voices, and so on... |
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Post by EuropeMagnum on Oct 2, 2014 20:28:14 GMT 2
i think this "buyers guide" is pretty crap. probably written by an ex-Teenie Bopper...  debut album the "heaviest" in bandhistory??? i think NOT. WOT and SFTD are much heavier in my ears.  the only rather good thing there is the essential song list... not bad for Europe beginners... |
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Post by Mark-David on Oct 13, 2014 22:23:18 GMT 2
Interesting, but a bit controversial from my point of view. I would never put 'Start from the Dark' into the 'AVOID' category, sorry but that's just crazy. And IMO 'Secret Society' is FAR better than simply 'good'...but what do I know  |
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Post by guesswho? on Oct 26, 2014 14:44:26 GMT 2
i think this "buyers guide" is pretty crap. probably written by an ex-Teenie Bopper... debut album the "heaviest" in bandhistory??? i think NOT. WOT and SFTD are much heavier in my ears. the only rather good thing there is the essential song list... not bad for Europe beginners... Maybe that's not transcendantal... But there's 2 full pages about EUROPE. That's the important thing. I wish some other magazines would do this. |
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Post by ent on Oct 29, 2014 11:15:17 GMT 2
[Maybe that's not transcendantal... But there's 2 full pages about EUROPE. That's the important thing. I wish some other magazines would do this. I agree. It´s frustrating (and actually a shame) when you make a research and find this: www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/eToo bad. This gives a dimension of the difficulties of the band to establish in the american market with all the consequences (no tours and so on)  P.S.: with all due respct, who the f*** is El-P? |
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Interesting to see that they included Joey's A Place to Call Home in the list.
...and features Kee. If they wanted to use an old photo, couldn't they have at least gone with a photo from the Final Countdown era with John Norum? 
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... Really ? I like that album more and more with pass of the time. And although I like a lot "Out of this world" I would have replaced it for "Wings of Tomorrow" and would have accompanied for "Last Look at Eden" or "Start from the Dark" as essential albums.
