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Post by Eva Tomorrow on Aug 29, 2014 21:35:31 GMT 2
I have read many reviews which stated that John Norum is an underrated guitarist, here are some examples, the opinions are not fans, are links to pages of rock world, magazines or other webs. www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/compact_discs/europe/the_final_countdown/www.thisisnotascene.com/2013/europe-download-2013-live-review/www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/europe/start.shtmlIn principle it is a good thing, because this comment has besides good words about Norum, but maybe it's time to stop saying it, I mean, it's probably time to just highlight the quality of John as a musician, I'm a little tired of hearing this statement, as time goes by, because it looks like is something already difficult to change. What has to happen for that John has more recognition? Would not cease to be an "underrated musician"? And to be more valued, what should happen? perhaps prizes? This is a very recent review (EUROPE with FM & FOREIGNER in UK last March) with this statement ... www.bristol247.com/2014/04/15/review-foreigner-europe-fm-at-colston-hall-bristol-43195/"...while also reminding us that John Norum is one of rock’s most underrated guitarists. ..."
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Post by kat on Aug 29, 2014 23:06:38 GMT 2
Well, I don't think John Norum is underrated in terms of his value as a musician.I think his talent and skills are recognised and appreciated by other mucisians,the rock music press and all the fans that have been following him through his career. Maybe we all think he deserves a little bit more fame,more attention from a broader media,but his attitude all these years shows he's never been after this.I don't think he likes to be in the spotlight for anything else but his music.He doesn't put on a show,he never tries to look or sound "cool".He prefers to play the music that satisfies him,either it's with Europe,or for his own albums,or with his sister ,or with any other band. This brought him so far and if he's happy with it,so be it! No matter how many people will turn and look at it,his star is shining bright!
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Post by Mark-David on Aug 30, 2014 16:36:09 GMT 2
Who knows? He's certainly not underrated in my book. I guess there are many guitarists that don't perhaps get the recognition they fully deserve. I get the feeling John doesn't like being in the spotlight too much. He seems like a very modest, genuine and very nice guy from the times I met him. He probably doesn't mind being 'underrated'
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Post by guesswho? on Aug 31, 2014 12:29:41 GMT 2
Yes, NORUM is clearly underrated.
Of course, is a very humble and simple person, not fan at all of the star system, that's obvious.
But maybe the fact he's a Norwegian/Swedish musician has an importance : if he was American or British, I'm pretty sure he would be more celebrated...
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Post by Eva Tomorrow on Sept 2, 2014 22:59:15 GMT 2
Interesting opinions ... EUROPE is possibly the most underrated rock band ... that is obvious and unfair but things are so. Fortunately I think it's not something that worries them to any of the band members, they have focused more on their music and on what they want to convey in live that in what others think, that freedom has left them to flow very good songs. Said this, ... I think John deserves more ... as EUROPE, they deserve greater projection, its quality is that of a "BIG" band, but even now with its reinvention with their new stage that it has enchanted press and fans, still playing in theaters not very big and they have to play with other bands headlining ... which is what they deserve. I don't remember reading in an interview if they would have asked this issue to John, ... if not, it would be a good question to ask him if ever the target allows to us his fans the forgotten initiative of "QUESTIONS to John"
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Post by kat on Sept 3, 2014 7:53:12 GMT 2
Well Eva,I don't know if you're watching the Basketball World Cup that takes place in Spain but these days there's a lot of noise about the team of Phillipines just because of the weird way they play even though they haven't won any game so far.Meanwhile ,quality teams like Spain or Greece to compliment my own are winning one game after another. The same way there are people in the music industry that get most of the attention for all the wrong reasons,while band and musicians like Europe and John Norum take things at their own pace and by working hard and producing quality music gain respect and recognition and make their value in the music world unquestionable.Maybe there's not a lot of noise about it,but I don't think it really matters.
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Post by Eva Tomorrow on Sept 3, 2014 23:09:15 GMT 2
Well Eva,I don't know if you're watching the Basketball World Cup that takes place in Spain but these days there's a lot of noise about the team of Phillipines just because of the weird way they play even though they haven't won any game so far.Meanwhile ,quality teams like Spain or Greece to compliment my own are winning one game after another. The same way there are people in the music industry that get most of the attention for all the wrong reasons,while band and musicians like Europe and John Norum take things at their own pace and by working hard and producing quality music gain respect and recognition and make their value in the music world unquestionable. Maybe there's not a lot of noise about it,but I don't think it really matters.I agree kat ... but I have to admit : I want more "NOISE" about John and this band !!!! I guess that John is happy in both situations: doing a tour of small venues with his sweet sister Tone, and playing in front of 10,000 people in Madrid with Def Leppard & Whitesnake last year or in front of 30,000 at the Sweden Rock Festival , ... but for me to see him on stage front of thousands people cheering to him is an honor and a wonderful show. I remember the "Girl from Lebanon" solo in Madrid, ... the dim light, people was expecting, a spotlight on John and begin the chords of this song, ... when the intro finished the room surrendered to him and embraced him with applause ... and I was fully excited and crying for to have lived that moment ... You know, I want this kind of noise for him !! Yes , friend, I'm following the basketball world, I have to admit I played basketball in high school ...and the most important thing is also because in this country for a few days not only is talk about football !! And that is great news ...
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Post by kat on Sept 4, 2014 8:35:08 GMT 2
I guess this is the kind of noise Norum and the band also like to get! These magic moments in a show when it feels like the artists really communicates their music to the audience that warmly responds! Fortunately Europe are blessed to live many moments like that and fans like you and me are lucky to share some with them! Even back in the 80s when there was a lot more noise about Europe,it wasn't always for the right reasons.Many people never payed ttention to their music-except their big hits ,of course-and the noise was about their looks or a bunch of other stuff.The band has worked really hard to put their music above all and I think they 're doing a very good job! As for basketball ,even though I love it very much unfortunately I've always been a bit too short to play.Europe are somehow connected with the Greek team as back in the 1987 Eurobasket-when Greece won the championship-"Final Countdown" had sort of become the "official" song of the team.There's even a book recently published about the team called "The Final Countdown"!
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Post by ent on Sept 4, 2014 21:20:43 GMT 2
Interesting discussion. My 2 cents: What has to happen for that John has more recognition? Would not cease to be an "underrated musician"? And to be more valued, what should happen? perhaps prizes? If you are talking about mainstream recognition, I came to the conclusion that, sadly, there is no possibility for John and Europe to get much more recognition than what they are currently receiving (which is actually very good). This is because hard rock and heavy metal have become a niche phenomenon, with many devoted fans but unable to make it as popular as it was in the past. Being rock heroes in the seventies has given to bands like Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd (to name only a few) and to guitarist like Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton or Eddie Van Halen (to name a few), the permanent status of rock legends. It could have happened to Europe and John too. But they arrived a bit too late, when the golden age was about to end. And, worst, the image that they used to promote themselves worked for a while and then hit them back like a boomerang. That's why, also in the rock scene they are not considered at the same level of bands like for example Iron Maiden or Guns n' Roses. It wasn't a problem of musical quality or skill back then. And it isn't now. Even if Europe released a true masterpiece as new album, the top that they could get is a good position in the charts for some weeks, excellent reviews in rock magazines and sites, some mentions in the newspaper when there's the gig, big respect and appraisal from other musicians and a few new fans. Ironically that goes also for the rock legends above mentioned: if Van Halen or Iron Maiden would release the best album of their career (musically speaking) that wouldn't gain them a higher step in the music scene than the one they're currently standing on. It's simply too late. That said, personally I don't mind. Listening to Europe music has always given me special feelings, back in the eighties as today. I've been lucky enough to live the age when Europe was at the top of the charts, when it was impossible to turn on the radio without hearing the countdown. It was great but, perhaps selfishly, I prefer the niche atmosphere of today. Not much noise but a good vibe. It all seems more "real". A good review or a nice word from another artist has no other meaning and reason than true appreciation. In my opinion, that's the best possible recognition. In the end it is better to be considered underrated and give genuine surprise to the people that suddendly discover them (yes, it still happens!) than being considered overrated and disappoint.
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Post by Eva Tomorrow on Sept 6, 2014 18:48:25 GMT 2
Interesting discussion. My 2 cents: What has to happen for that John has more recognition? Would not cease to be an "underrated musician"? And to be more valued, what should happen? perhaps prizes? If you are talking about mainstream recognition, I came to the conclusion that, sadly, there is no possibility for John and Europe to get much more recognition than what they are currently receiving (which is actually very good). This is because hard rock and heavy metal have become a niche phenomenon, with many devoted fans but unable to make it as popular as it was in the past. Being rock heroes in the seventies has given to bands like Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd (to name only a few) and to guitarist like Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton or Eddie Van Halen (to name a few), the permanent status of rock legends. It could have happened to Europe and John too. But they arrived a bit too late, when the golden age was about to end. And, worst, the image that they used to promote themselves worked for a while and then hit them back like a boomerang. That's why, also in the rock scene they are not considered at the same level of bands like for example Iron Maiden or Guns n' Roses. It wasn't a problem of musical quality or skill back then. And it isn't now. Even if Europe released a true masterpiece as new album, the top that they could get is a good position in the charts for some weeks, excellent reviews in rock magazines and sites, some mentions in the newspaper when there's the gig, big respect and appraisal from other musicians and a few new fans. Ironically that goes also for the rock legends above mentioned: if Van Halen or Iron Maiden would release the best album of their career (musically speaking) that wouldn't gain them a higher step in the music scene than the one they're currently standing on. It's simply too late. That said, personally I don't mind. Listening to Europe music has always given me special feelings, back in the eighties as today. I've been lucky enough to live the age when Europe was at the top of the charts, when it was impossible to turn on the radio without hearing the countdown. It was great but, perhaps selfishly, I prefer the niche atmosphere of today. Not much noise but a good vibe. It all seems more "real". A good review or a nice word from another artist has no other meaning and reason than true appreciation. In my opinion, that's the best possible recognition. In the end it is better to be considered underrated and give genuine surprise to the people that suddendly discover them (yes, it still happens!) than being considered overrated and disappoint.I think the influence of the past is still something very powerful in this band, "The Final Countdown" is a great album, its victory was due to the quality of their songs in my opinion but the image of the band was appeal to the public and the press, in addition to the triumph of hard rock music in 80s had typecast them in a difficult place to remove for the general public despite being a renovated musicians in this second stage. True, the fans we do not care ... the past and everything that happened is almost anecdotal, the main thing is to enjoy with their last magnificant albums and good health of band in live. I think the feeling of "underrated guitarist" is due to something you've commented ent "... is better to be considered underrated and give genuine surprise to the people that suddendly discover them (yes, it still happens!) than being considered overrated and disappoint ..." ... the people whom go to see them in live, who not follow assiduously the band as can we do, which is actually most of the people who full a room, in fact have perhaps lower expectations which at the end see there ... maybe they will see the band from the past, the band of "TFC" that they think to know, but they discover another EUROPE, they have seen a band with a contemporary image with a powerful rock and a guitarist who does magic .
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